PRELIMINARY UNAPPROVED
POTRERO PLANNING GROUP
Minutes:
The Meeting of the
Potrero Community Planning Group was called to order
at 7:02 PM
by Gordon Hammers at the Potrero Community Center.
Pledge of Allegiance. Jerry Johnson.
ROLL CALL: 8 present
Present:
Chair. 8- Gordon Hammers, 1. Janet Wright 2. Thell Fowler 3-.Mike Rubalcava - 4 Jan Hedlun 5- Jerry Johnson ,6- Mary Johnson
9-.Eric Berger 7- Emil Susu Not a current member MUST BE
REMOVED – EMIL IS NOT IN SEAT 7 AND SHOULD NOT BE LISTED ON ROLL CALL PER
CHERYL JONES
Guests: sign in sheet passed around.
Approval of
Minutes of the last meeting as corrected. EMAIL SENT
ON
DISCUSSION
AND POSSIBLE ACTION
Appointment of
members: Emil Susu is ineligible to vote
tonight re e-mail from C. Jones
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>DUNCAN MCFETRIDGE POINTED OUT THAT ERIC BERGER AND MIKE
RUBACLAVA HAD NOT BEEN APPOINTED BY THE B.O.S. We will be
checking the BOS appointments and standings of Eric Berger and Mike Rubalcava.
QUESTIONS AND
COMMENTS FROM COMMUNITY
B. Wise reading
on those who showed support for the recent fund raiser.
L. Wildey :
Letter in support of current board members.
J
Johnson: Announce Spaghetti dinner for Browns.
C.
Meyer: Questioning eligibility of Eric, and Mike. Approved by
county? The recall petitionS WERE signed and turned
over to county.
Question Re:
republican party support. Why did this happen?
T. Fowler:
37 year resident has seen lots of growth. Where
were the people when we ran for election last November? We still ought to
be a community with differences, yes, but still support our self. Looking at community service. Who’s
helping @ 94 club, safety, road repairs, speeding by the school safety
zone. We should work together as a community.
R.
Stephens: Accused G. Hammers of name calling 12 years ago.
E. Susu: Who called Al Jezerra
to come to Potrero? I HAVE BEEN
TOLD THAT EMIL SAID THAT “Ray Lutz's Citizen's Oversight group is
equated with the
K, Rains:
Republicans: Who contacted them re: Potrero? G Hammers <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:#333333'>GORDON HAMMERS ADMITTED CALLING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND INITIATING THE PHONE CALLS AND LETTER SAYING THAT THE “OTHER” SIDE HAD ASSISTANCE FROM EAST COUNTY DEMOCRATS. CARL MEYER AND OTHERS PROTESTED THAT THE RECALL COULD ONLY BE DONE BY POTRERO RESIDENTS.
WHEN ASKED HOW MUCH IT COST, GORDON SAID, “I HAVEN’T GOT THE BILL.”
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>BOARD MEMBER JAN HEDLUN AND NUMEROUS COMMUNITY MEMBERS PROTESTED
EMIL SUSU SITTING ON THE BOARD. WHEN ASKED WHY HE WAS THERE GORDON SAID
IT WAS “THE CHAIRMAN’S PEROGATIVE” AND EMIL SAID, “BECAUSE I CAN.” Emil is non-voting and currently not a
member of the board awaiting appointment by BOS.
J. Wildey: He has received document from the democratic party re: anti-Blackwater
J Meneses: Has seen mostly older people doing community
service. He has volunteered to help as part of this community. Some
stay hidden when there is something to do. Community needs help and
volunteers. He is finding out what is going on.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>PRESENTATION BY Duncan MacFetridge of
SOFAR.
Q: J.
Johnson: What was Payoff to McFedridge for previous
public law suits Ans. None this is a Non profit corp.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>NOTE: ONE COMMUNITY MEMBER REMEMBERS THIS BEING SAID BY THELL FOWLER. PLEASE VERIFY.
Q. What are his
beliefs re: Public and private property. Belief use of private property
subject to Supreme court rules on zoning issue.
Public lands 50% Legally, they
can hold up projects for 15 years.
Q M.
Johnson: Why does he call Blackwater a mercenary
group? <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>NEED
2.
Consulting firm for Blackwater
project. Jones and Stokes
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>Blackwater<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'> Consultant firm Jones and Stores presentation on Preliminary
environmental information<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:#333333'> Brook<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'> Petersen consultant and Paul Amber (WHAT
POSITION DID PAUL AMBER HOLD?) NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIED.
Presentation of
the requirements of preparing an EIR included; Preparing
documents, highlighting the environmental review process, identifying and
listing criteria for the report, combining all the issues and agencies
involved. Scheduling the process, describing the work and responsibilities for
Environmental review and the technical experts involved.
Information as to the steps leading to a final EIR and impact on the project
was explained, including the emphasis on public participation.,
scoping meetings etc. Those wishing to be on the
distribution list need to contact Jarrett Ramaiya phone 858-694-3015
e-mail sdcountyca.gov Project no.
PO6-069
Schedule of
process estimated to be around Aug. ’08. NOP = Notice of Preparation.
Also Memorandum of understanding -- like a contract between the 3 parties ( County/Blackwater/EIR
Firm.) There will be documents (drafts and final) and opportunity for
comment.
Roxanne:
Curiosity about the agriculture changes, posting that
events taking place and analysis Historical events.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>ONE MAN ASKED WHAT “HISTORICAL PERIOD” MEANT. AN ANSWER WAS NOT GIVEN.
C. Meyer: Question for Brooks about
the Specialist. What Noise model (not
monitor) monitor was
used for technical info? Answer Full disclosure comes with final report.
B.
Chamberlain: Q<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>uestion
about the time for EIR
F. Mattera :
When report is ready please post info in Hotline. What will new zoning
be?
J.
Giguerre Curious about study having to do
with positive or neg. impact on property values. Ans. EIR is
checking physical areas. No provision on
economic impacts.
EIR is one of
the factors the county looks at. Economic and other
factors are looked at as well.
GH: How will BW help Potrero? Economic comparisons in the offing. Soon we hope to be
looking at several economic models.
R Simmons: Who
decides community character. Scale and
intent How it would this fit physically aesthetically?
S.
Freedman: How have they showed community? Virtual
reality rendering. This aspect would be covered
later in meeting
Cc.. Ramsey, <span style='font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"'>WHO WAS A TEST CAR DRIVER ASKED IF THERE WOULD BE Noise
control for cars. Ans.
Yes
Tina B. How do
they analyze sewage disposal and groundwater? NEED
RESPONSE TO QUESTION.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>BARBARA CHAMBERLAIN STATED “THE
PETITION TO OPPOSE BW WAS SIGNED BY OVER 300 ADULT RESIDENTS. HALF THE
ADULTS IN POTRERO, NOT A THIRD AS GORDON HAMMERS CLAIMED.”
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:#333333'>EMIL SUSU CALLED THE AUDIENCE LIARS AND BARBARA COMMENTED THAT MR. SUSU HAS DEFAMED US AND ASKED “WHAT HAVE WE LIED ABOUT?” SUSU REPLIED THAT, “YOU LIED ABOUT THE NOISE ON THE PETITION.” BARBARA REPLIED, “THE PETITION DID NOT MENTION NOISE.”
MR. SUSU SAID, “YES IT DID.” BARBARA TOLD HIM TO “READ THE PETITION!”
Presentation
of video documentation of trip to Moyock, NC
Q&A 8:50
Movie
from Moyock; WHO MADE THE
VIDEO DOCUMENTATION AT MOYOCK?<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#333333'> WHO WENT TO MOYOCK FROM
POTRERO? Copies
had been mailed to most registered voters, some said
they did not get it. <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Comic Sans MS";color:#333333'>THE MOVIE SHOWED BLACKWATER MOYOCK, THE history, environmental sensitivities,
economic factors, and plans for Blackwater west.
Jones and
Stokes is the agency doing the EIR.
Facts
about Blackwater. BW is an environmentally
sensitive, BW is now under 1% of contractors,
Main business is the protection of Amer. Citizens. BW is Not a mercenary organization.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>SHERIFF
D Nunez states that
since BW does not employ felons, there will not be problems with them.
They will do what is asked by BW. (WHO WILL DO
WHAT IS ASKED BY BLACKWATER?) This will help Law enforcement in the Potrero area.
Land use fact:
The acreage used will be about 79.2 acres in new use and 65.8 in re
development. About 145 total acres of the 824 (about 679 in open area (non developed).
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:#333333'>ROBIN SIMMONS ASKED “DOES BW HAVE ANY CONTRACTS OR MEMORANDUMS OF UDNERSTANDING TO TRAIN LAW ENFORCEMENT?”
BRIAN ANSWERED, “NO.”
Fire
coverage 4 page handout from
State.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>BRIAN IS SUGGESTING A <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>9 Am Friday coffee <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#333333'>TO DISCUSS ISSUES: may not work for everyone DUE TO WORK
SCHEDULES. Work
schedule suggestions are welcome.
Issues or
question raised<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>.
Chris. Welcome
T. Fowler asked
about helicopters. BB. No helicopters have
been in Potrero air space and no plans for
aeronautical activity here.--- Noise study
and berms.
C. Meyer - Is
the armory still in project? <span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#333333'>(CARL WOULD LIKE THE ANSWER TO THIS
QUESTION LISTED).
Randy
Hunt - was there any discussion about public opposition? WHAT WAS THE
ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.
J. Giguerre What if planning board says no, what is plan B?
Answer: There is No plan B
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>BRIAN MADE IT CLEAR TO THE BOARD AND AUDIENCE THAT BLACKWATER
WAS GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THEIR PLANS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY
WANTED. HE SAID BWUSA HAD INVESTIGATED OTHER OPTIONS –
Real Estate
Values affected by BW? Or is it the market?
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>HELEN CRAMER SAID THEIR HOME WAS IN ESCROW AND WHEN THE
POTENTIAL BUYERS FOUND OUT ABOUT BLACKWATER THEY
IMMEDIATELY WITHDREW THEIR OFFER.
Chemical
contaminants.
Check the EIR ---F. Mattera
Choosing a site on another military base?
Capturing lead
for environment Wells, lead in water not
good. <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>NEEDS CLARIFICATION
Ranges have
high safety standards and are made to be in compliance
with Environmental Laws.
In Moyock Local Boy scouts pick up brass and earn
$ for recycling.
Yes, Local
citizens could be offered courses ( as part of Good
neighbor policy)
C
Dillion.<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>WHAT WAS CAROL’S QUESTION? Ans<span style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:#333333'>: This development is a MUP project See map
and overlays. ReDevelopment
No more chicken stuff. Nitrates etc
Keep community
involved. <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Comic Sans MS";color:#333333'>BARBARA CHAMBERLAIN SPOKE ABOUT THE ORIGINAL
CHICKEN RANCH PROPERTY OWNERS, THE ROWANS, WHO ARE SORRY ABOUT WHAT THE NEW
OWNER HAD DONE TO THE PROPERTY AND THAT THEY OPPOSED BLACKWATER. .G.
Hammers reports that Correspondence with Mr. Rowan is now supportive of BW
(within last 2 weeks).<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>SOMEONE WANTED TO SEE THE CORRESPONDENCE.
Brian hopes to
sit down with those who need more information.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:#333333'>Resolution Form 534 to reconsider the Dec. 14 vote.
It was noted that the petition to recall the board seemed to be
of political rather than based on land use issues. There was discussion as to
the “whereas” portions of the resolution.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>WHEN THE TOPIC OF THE RESOLUTION CAME UP JAN HEDLUN ASKED WHO
WROTE THE RESOLUTION AS SHE (THE PLANNING GROUP) HAD NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN ITS
CREATION. GORDON SAID JERRY HAD CRAFTED IT AND
HE HAD WORD-SMITHED IT. JAN PROTESTED THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD NO INPUT, NOR HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO REVIEW IT AND
REQUESTED THAT IT BE PUT OFF UNTIL THE NEXT MONTH.
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>ALTHOUGH THELL FOWLER MADE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE VOTING ON
THE RESOLUTION UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING GORDON INSISTED ON READING Resolution 534 in full. NUMEROUS
COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY WERE MADE.
The motion was
made <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#333333'>AGAIN by
Thell Fowler 2nd
Jan Hedlun to postpone the voting on the
resolution until the next meeting. <st1:date Year="2007"
Day="9" Month="8">Aug. 9, 2007. Motion carried. Aye votes: Thell Fowler, Jerry Johnson, Mary Johnson, Eric Berger, Mike Rubalcava,
Janet Wright, Jan Hedlun, And Abstaining:
Gordon Hammers.
Meeting
adjourned
Respectfully
submitted
Mary L. Johnson
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:#333333'>COMMUNITY INSPIRED REVISIONS/COMMENTS INSERTED BY JAN M. HEDLUN