Manual Tally Issues

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Request for information and public records sent to the Registrar of Voters on November 20, 2008.

• San Diego County Canvass Procedure - An attempt to understand and describe the Canvass Procedure use by San Diego Registrar of Voters.

Background

The 1% manual tally reports, as prepared by the San Diego County Registrar Of Voters, is quite insufficient.

• No report submitted for June 3, 2008 primary on 11-20-08 -- This report was supplied by San Diego County Ro V on 11-25-08 Read it.
• Feb 5, 2008 Manual tally Report included severe discrepancies with no attempt to explain them. The registrar re-ran the automated counts to find 8 missing ballots, and they did not discover why the ballots were missing. By extension, approximately 800 ballots were missing in the election.
• The Feb 5, 2008 Manual Tally Report did not provide any report on vote discrepancies, only reporting ballot counts and grand total of all votes. Therefore, vote substitution was not detected nor reported.

Manual Tally Selection

17 precincts were selected for the manual tally, as follows:

Seq	Precinct	Ballots
454	240100	648
483	260200	698
768	403910	787
824	406390	594
892	409680	732
974	420090	590
1067	432580	819
1099	438200	752
1275	468020	513
1315	475700	585
1367	485900	672
1377	487300	493
1425	502200	666
1491	528970	815
1540	532580	330
1568	533120	570
1627	551690	511

Additional precincts to capture to get to 3%

Seq	Precinct	Ballots
1048
150
1101
362
720
2
995
1517
196
915
320
624
535
84
399
612
1305
1100
532
632
1321
691
634
1295
191
797
1460
451
832
1434
1256
81
1145
997

Additional precincts to capture to get to 5%

Seq	Precinct	Ballots
106
1610
342
390
15
827
1527
1563
613
1298
1126
707
1259
860
70
1407
1382
101
1540
1320
115
431
191
1451
947
251
925
917
1254
347
702
1510
1336
594

Extras

Seq	Precinct	Ballots
1217
126
858

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Timeline

• 13 Jan 2009 - Reduced PDF file sizes and uploaded the PDFs to the web site (attached at the bottom).
• 07 Jan 2009 - Scanned manual tally sheets at RoV office
• 02 Dec 2008 - Manual Tally report submitted to the public, slightly improved from prior versions.
• 25 Nov 2008 - Response by County Counsel R00016 to C00016.
• 25 Nov 2008 - Meeting with Deborah Seiler. She provided the Report for the June 3, 2008 primary
• 20 Nov 2008 - Submitted Request to San Diego County Registrar of Voters (C00016)
• 21 Nov 2008 - Attended meeting at Registrar of Voter's office and asked questions of Charlie Wallace, Lynn Schultz and Michael Vu. They said the Manual Tally report would be available on Tuesday, 2008-11-25.

Recent Articles and Media: (Add | All Media)

This is the most recently published 20 articles, most recent first.

• (M1903) 2010-11-10 1% Manual Tally Procedure in San Diego -- Completing a precinct -- Ray Lutz, Citizens Oversight,
• (M691) 2008-12-02 San Diego County Manual Tally Report for 2008-11-04 election -- Deborah Seiler, Registrar Of Voters, Manual Tally Issues; San Diego County Canvass Procedure 1% Tally shows serious 20-29% failure rate
• (M689) 2008-11-25 C00016R: Response by County Counsel regarding Nov. 20 Letter to the RoV -- San Diego County Counsel, San Diego County, R00016 Manual Tally Issues, San Diego County Canvass Procedures
• (M684) 2008-11-20 Registrar Manual Tally Reports Indicate Substantial Problems with Diebold Scanners in 2008 Elections -- Raymond Lutz, Citizens Oversight, Manual Tally Issues San Diego County Canvass Procedure
• (M692) 2008-11-20 C00016: Letter to RoV: Manual Tally Report Questions, 2008-11-20 -- Raymond Lutz, Citizens Oversight, Manual Tally Issues (C00016) San Diego County Canvass Procedure
• (M690) 2008-11-04 Suggested Step-by-step to assist in complying with the Post-Election Manual Tally Requirements -- , Secretary Of State CA, Manual Tally Issues, San Diego County Canvass Procedure
• (M617) 2008-09-21 Ohio Voting Machines Contained Programming Error That Dropped Votes -- Mary Pat Flaherty, Washington Post, Manual Tally Issues
• (M687) 2008-06-23 Results of the 1% Manual Tally for the 6/3/2008 Direct Primary Election -- Deborah Seiler, Registrar Of Voters, Manual Tally Issues; San Diego County Canvass Procedure

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Comments

• Secy of State site showing no report submitted by San Diego County as of 11-20-08 for June 3,2008 election.: After having a conversation with Miguel Castillo of the Secretary of State's office, he confirmed that counties may have submitted their report to other SoS departments, such as combined with their full canvass submission, and would therefore be in full legal compliance, but they still would not be shown in this list. He said they would look at changing the wording on this page to make it less definitive.